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Nigel, its all depends really. I have known 6 selections in one day, then you would get none for the next 2 or 3 days. The best bet would be to put on your watch list all prices of favs at 2.8 or below when checking in the morning, then look at these races again shortly before the off to see if they meet the criteria for a lay. jay nigel wrote:I've purchased little acorns on the basis of what i've read on this forum and have to say that it seems fairly straight forward. Would appreciate comments as to approx the number of races that qualify for the system per week.
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Jaylees thanks for your respose. Would appreciate comments on this scenario....fav is odds on with the bookies but say 2.05 on betfair.Assuming system criteria is met as regards odds etc then would this be a lay ?
Lost my first lay on dancing with bubbles in the 3.40 and didn't lay lady rhinestone in the 4.20 as whilst she was evens with bookies she was fractional odds against on betfair.....bit annoying as if i'd layed i'd have won !
Perhaps this isn't as straight forward as i'd first thought.
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Hi Nigel, Actually you can use both methods and still make a profit. As i know via another forum that some users actaully use oddschecker and if they fav is odds on there they will lay it even though it maybe over 2.0 on betfair. I have monitored this in a small way myself and i checked the fav on the bookmaker live odds about 10 mins before the off, and if it was showing odds on there but not on betfair i would still lay it for the purposes of the experiment. I actually made over a 15 points profit in the space of a month, and over 13 points using it accordiong to the rules. However, i still prefer to stick with all the filters outlined in the book. Jay
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Thanks Jaylees; two selections today theatre street and mutamared both at lingfield...one lost and one won. Think it will take a couple of weeks or so to really get the feel of this however am very hopeful that this will create an income stream.Am learning that the odds can move quite significantly from the morning to the afternoon.If there is the opportunity to lay in the morning is it better to take it or else wait until ten mins or so before the off?
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The important point to remember when using little acorns Nigel is that when you first start it does take time to build up profits, unless you start with a few winning lays. The staking sequence will bring about eventual profits. I started on £5 lays and moved up to £20 lays. I did have up to 7 losing lays once since April, so long as you start small and build up profits can really build, you did need bags of patience during some months but i have to say its definetly worth it! I have followed a lot of laying systems that promise thousands but they never work in the end, so i decided to drop my expectations to a realistic level and due to all the positive publicity little acorns has been given i thought they must be doing something right and so far so good! jay nigel wrote:Thanks Jaylees; two selections today theatre street and mutamared both at lingfield...one lost and one won. Think it will take a couple of weeks or so to really get the feel of this however am very hopeful that this will create an income stream.Am learning that the odds can move quite significantly from the morning to the afternoon.If there is the opportunity to lay in the morning is it better to take it or else wait until ten mins or so before the off?
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jaylees wrote:The important point to remember when using little acorns Nigel is that when you first start it does take time to build up profits, unless you start with a few winning lays. The staking sequence will bring about eventual profits. I started on £5 lays and moved up to £20 lays. I did have up to 7 losing lays once since April, so long as you start small and build up profits can really build, you did need bags of patience during some months but i have to say its definetly worth it! I have followed a lot of laying systems that promise thousands but they never work in the end, so i decided to drop my expectations to a realistic level and due to all the positive publicity little acorns has been given i thought they must be doing something right and so far so good! jay
Hi Jay I Just wanted to double check. I checked the prices on Betfair several times, and the two horses that Nigel mentioned never qualified as system bets. Far as I could see, there were no qualifying bets today. Did you have any today?
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Boy! There has certainly been a lot of posts regarding Little Acorns, and to be fair i am glad, as it's the only system worthy of discussion. I haven't posted for sometime for one reason or another, but forum members will know i have been using it for over 3 years (I believe i was one of the first to buy it!). Anyway, i thought i would bring matters up to date and let users know of my yearly performance. 2008 JAN = +29.90 pts FEB = +33.10 MAR = +24.00 APR = +21.80 MAY = +25.50 JUN = +12.30 JUL = +13.30 AUG = +4.00 (had 7 losing lays on the bounce) SEP = +14.20 OCT = +13.60 NOV = +12.00 DEC = +12.90 JAN 2009 SO FAR = +£6.80 Now i work in £50 lay units, so i will leave readers to work out how much i have made. However BE WARNED!. It has taken me 3 years to build up to this level organically. By this i mean re-investing winnings rather than using my own money. You can make more if you invest or start with more, but i prefer to use money already won rather than my own and would suggest new users start small- very small. On the matter of losing sequences if they occur, i look at it this way. My National Express shares are down to around £5.60 at present, compared to over £12 3 years ago. So how long will it take for them to reach those dizzy height again? Years i would assume. So with Little Acorns, if you do have a losing sequence it may knock you back about 5 or 6 weeks, but hey thats nothing in comparison to how long my shares will return to anywhere near approaching what they were 3 years ago. So its a definite long term winner for me so long as you view it as just that - long-term. See it as a nice little nest egg quietly building up in the background. Then you wont go far wrong. Todays selections; I got 1.20 Lingfield: Theatre Street (Qualified before 10am) 1.50 " Mutamared (qualified before the off) I am exhausted Now! Charlie
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hi charlie
would be interested to know your tactics in as much do you slavishly follow betfair prices or are you prepared to look at oddscheckers to see how the bookies are pricing the race.
also do you bet as soon as a qualifying lay is identified or do you wait until the market has settled closer to the race time?
and another question ..how many points did you win before increasing your lay stake?
sorry to be a bore but such info is useful to me in getting to grips with operating the system.
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2 lays today ;one winner ,one loser....snap tie and special occasion. would be interested to know if anyone thinks there were more than these opportunities.
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Yes, Nigel i made another few bob over the weekend. My selections were; Saturday 12.55 Winc - Special Occassion - won - we lost 1.20 Haydock - Snap Tie - lost - we won! Sunday 3.40 Towc - pancake - lost - we won! I actually lay the favourite whenever it meets with all the criteria, although i gather using oddschecker as a guide and laying any odds on shots that appear there proves profitable. I started laying small, then as i seen the system worked my confidence enabled me to start proper on £10 lays, then after 12 months, moved up to £25 lays, then after another 12 months mover up to £50 lays. Charlie nigel wrote:2 lays today ;one winner ,one loser....snap tie and special occasion. would be interested to know if anyone thinks there were more than these opportunities.
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hi Charlie
3 qualifiers for me today
burton point won we lost annies answer lost we won house of bourbon lost we won
So in 5 days i've had 9 bets ,5 of which have been winners for me and i think i missed one potential further winner. Am laying £20 at the moment and am up £20 in total....i really can see the benefit of this and look forward to being able to raise my lays to your level and start to generate a meaningful income stream.
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Yes Nigel i got those 3 as well today, and one yesterday at Towcester - pancake which lost so we won. I would start small if i was you, about £5 or £10 lays for a few months as you can get up to 6 or 7 losing lays and this may dent your confidence. I have been a successful user of Little Acorns for 9 months now and have to say its a very good system for the long term and will certainly make all those that follow it extra money. Having said that you do need patience during some months, but i have bags of patience if i am following something that will lead to eventual profits. jay
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Hi Jaylees What you recommend is undoubtedly sensible however i'm prepared to take the risk by starting with £20 lays on the basis of the statistics Charlie posted a couple of days or so ago which indicated winning months throughout 2008. Two lays today fiendish flame won we lost dance and dance lost we won
What really appeals to me with this system is it's 'common sense', approach based on the fact that as the bookies always win, laying filtered odds on shots must be profitable in the medium/long term.
I do accept though that it requires discipline and there is no point in frittering away profits by betting outside of the system.
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nigel wrote:Hi Jaylees What you recommend is undoubtedly sensible however i'm prepared to take the risk by starting with £20 lays on the basis of the statistics Charlie posted a couple of days or so ago which indicated winning months throughout 2008. Two lays today fiendish flame won we lost dance and dance lost we won
What really appeals to me with this system is it's 'common sense', approach based on the fact that as the bookies always win, laying filtered odds on shots must be profitable in the medium/long term.
I do accept though that it requires discipline and there is no point in frittering away profits by betting outside of the system.
I've been paper trading and getting a feel for the system for a couple of weeks now, and today I placed my first real money bets. At £2 stakes I made a profit of ......(drum roll).......74 pence. Maybe in years to come I'll be able to look back at this post and say 'Look - that's where this system started for me'. Nigel, there's nothing wrong with the idea of starting at higher stakes, but be prepared for a losing sequence. Always source your bets from a dedicated betting bank that you are prepared to every last penny of if it comes to it, and it won't kill you if you lose it. Hope for the best....but be prepared for the worst.
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I forgot to mention, but it's worth bearing in mind, that you won't necessarily achieve exactly the same results with this system as someone else does. Due to the variation in prices, you may not always lay exactly the same races that they do, and you may very well lay at a different price, so some variation in results is quite possible.
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Greetings all! I have been reading with interest all the posts about little acorns. For me its the best system i have ever, and i mean 'ever' clapped eyes on and for one simple reason - it works!!!..and is based on solid past results which i researched myself going back 8 years after i bought it. Over the past 9 years I have really been round the block looking for something that can even make me a small monthly amount, nevermind the thousands promised by other system vendors. Yes Little acorns can be frustrating on days with no bets, and yes, it may take time to build up your profits, but who cares so long as it builds up in the long run. I think those that feel its not for them are impatient and expect to make hundreds of pounds a day soon after they buy it! - This just does not happen unless you start with a very large bank. I have given up looking for the holy grail, simply because it does not exist, or if it does, those that have found it will not reveal it - and who can blame them! So, i just lowered my expectations and i am quite happy for now to make around £70 a month from £5 lays. Of course i will in time move up the scale - but whats the rush? - lifes is long!!! Goldie
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£70 a month!! That hardly seems worth turning the computer on for.
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I think your missing the point totally RIT. The £70 a month goldie mentioned is all relative on how you want to proceed. I was making about £100 - £150 per month 3 years ago with little acorns and i am now upto £1,500+ a month - after taking out quite a few thousand every year. If you feel £1,500+ is not worth turning the computer on for then i feel your search for something that makes more money for relatively small sums will be a fruitless one to be honest. The name of the book is little acorns! Kumite KId, the 74p profit you mention on your first lay of £2.00 is again relative. Percentage wise thats a massive gain of 37%! For example; using the little acorns as a platform i have been quitely working on something that aims to make around 50-70p per race - not a lot i know, but with time this can build especially when there can be up to 48+ races per day. Starting small gives you the confidence to experiment on systems without worrying about huge losses. I have said it before and i will say it again, those that start big and hit a losing patch will lose BIG! They then give up on their experiment to look for another way of making it pay, when the system they had developed could well have been viable long term. If only they started small and continued through the rough patch who knows what they may have achieved  ?? Charlie
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goldie wrote: So, i just lowered my expectations and i am quite happy for now to make around £70 a month from £5 lays. Of course i will in time move up the scale - but whats the rush? - lifes is long!!! Goldie Its just that goldie seems quite happy with that figure for the foreseeable future. No rush? If I was using this I would want to be accelerating the lays as quickly as my betting bank would allow.
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RIT wrote:
Its just that goldie seems quite happy with that figure for the foreseeable future. No rush? If I was using this I would want to be accelerating the lays as quickly as my betting bank would allow.
You can be going out with the most beautiful girl in the room, but it doesn't mean that she's the one you want to marry. I speak with the advantage of many years experience in this game, and I share the views of the majority on this forum - forget about the glitzy, over-hyped systems and tipsters that claim to be the holy grail that we all seem to be looking for when we start. Get real - the vast majority do not deliver consistent long term profits. People might spend a lot of time and money before they come to realise this - but sooner or later they WILL come to realise this. When I emailed ADK publishing requesting more information on the system before I purchased it, I got a full, honest and completely frank assessment of what it was about, and what to expect - nobody was promising me £1000 profit a week. Yes, it is a bit time consuming having to monitor Betfair prices. Yes, when the system is used with smaller stakes the returns will be very modest. But, it is scaleable - The returns achieved with £2 stakes will multiply in proportion when it is used with £50/100 stakes. Please do not get the wrong idea - I was in no way being sarcastic or derogatory when I said that I made 74 pence on my first day operating this system. I once made over £2000 profit in one DAY betting on the dogs (see one of previous posts for a clue as to how I did this - and incidentally, I was banned by that bookie two days later), and I don't know if this will make sense to all of you out there, but I was just as happy making that 74 pence yesterday as I was when I made £2000. THIS SYSTEM WORKS!
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